Kedusha v’ Teshuva
This site is meant to help grow our multi-congregational community. There are many benefits of having a network of Torah Observant communities that uphold Jewish law and traditions. We hope to increase in our knowledge base, prepare the next generation of leaders, facilitate integration of new members, share resources, encourage and support each other and assist each congregation and individuals during joyous as well as difficult times.
Our hope is to become Talmidei Kedushim, as Torah life brings about the holiness. But this must be undertaken as we also become Baailim Shuva people who come back to the commandments. I know that I been focusing on the trends among Messianic bloggers, but from now on instead I would like to focus on Kedusha and Teshuva which were the subjects that Meshiach’s message.
Our mission is to enable you to express and uphold your desire to grow in holiness as a Jew (if that is how you self-identify) or as a non-Jew (if that is how you self-identify).
We uphold and are committed to core Jewish values, such as the sanctity of the Torah and the Sinai and the covenants made with Israel and the whole world. As part of the Tikun Olam (repair the world), we seek to enable Israel to be a Light to the Nations we ally ourselves with all G-d fearing individuals who desire to join us in these purposes.
As we seek to engage the community to practice traditional Judaism we keep being disappointed with the conclusions made by the pseudo-Jewish, Messianic/Christian groups out there. As Judaism teaches “Judaism-Torah-Israel are one”. Again and again they try to connect Judaism to a contemporary Christian Charismatic perspective, they also redefine Jewish terms and ideas not using the terms to their full extent.
One example of this disregard for Jewish identity as it is expressed in tradition, observance and the leadership of Rabbis is how Judaism is always downgraded and mocked.
Most Messianic groups even the ones not focused on Jewish evangelism, some of them even lead by Jews, have to attack Judaism, Torah and Israel to make their points.
Instead of focusing on Teshuva (repentance) and Kedusha (holiness) like Yeshua did. They bring judgment to the Chosen People for rejecting Christianity and the Torah-less Messiah that has been presented to them.
We would like to help individuals to internalize the Torah in their hearts; we hope to work from people of different backgrounds and individual convictions.
Even tough many Christians are drawn to Judaism. The fact that Yeshua is not accepted becomes an irresolvable conflict. The Messianic Movement perpetuates this conflict.
We contend that Non Jews should relate to the G-d of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob through the mediation of Israel and through its understanding and not the other way around.
I was recently asked the following questions:
What parts of Christianity do you reject?
Do you accept the New Testament as scripture?
Do you believe Yeshua is human as well as divine?
Do you believe in the triune nature of God?
Do you accept the concept from the NT that there is a mission to the Jews and a mission to the Gentiles, that they are distinct but united?
These questions fall within the Christian construct and are part of mainstream Messianic Judaism, as defined by the major Messianic denominational organizations (UMJC, MJAA).
The revelation of Adon Melech Y’shua Ha Moshiach is part of the continum of Jewish belief and practice. Our approach unites his revelation with the rest of Jewish tradition.
We honor Jewish tradition and provide an opportunity to support, express and live out the blessings Judaism bring to the nations where we inhabit.
Thank you. Daniel Trevino
Messianic Judaism Quest’s Kedusha Network
Anti-Semitic Messianic Scam
The Jerusalem Council keeps using Anti-Semitic language against the traditional Jewish community. Avi (Avraham) is the Anti-Semite that wrote the previous e-mail shown in my post condeming all the Jews to Hell. Now he is having people fundraise for him…
Please do not turn away without giving…
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The Threat
As some of you may know, our friend Avi has experienced terrible persecution in the land of Israel for his belief in Yeshua as Messiah. Avi is an Orthodox Messianic Jew, advanced Torah Hebrew scholar, loving husband and wonderful father of six beautiful children. Because of his beliefs and study, the Christian-hating Orthodox community has repeatedly orchestrated events resulting in loss of jobs, financial crisis, attempted beatings, extreme verbal harassment, starving his children at school and other various extreme annoyances. However, recently the situation has turned worse…
One week ago Avi received an un-addressed letter in his post office box threatening the life of his family. The letter was skillfully written as to not be admissible as evidence in any court of law. However, within the context of events the letter conveyed a clear message of Avi’s impending doom.
At this point, we began to mobilize prayer on Avi’s behalf for wisdom as to how to respond to these threats. We fasted until there was peace and began arrangements for Avi’s evacuation from Israel.
The Parcel
Two days later there was a call supposedly from the post office demanding that he come and retrieve a package. When Avi pretended to be a friend, the caller became inquisitive, forcefully asking intrusive questions such as Avi’s travel itinerary and personal contact information. It is common knowledge that the Israeli post office never calls and only delivers a parcel notice. But again, this was done in such a way as to be untraceable and inadmissible as court evidence.
Last night an unfamiliar woman came to their door to give Avi a gift. The gift was a parcel of some sort inside a plastic shopping bag. In the light of current events, Avi immediately refused and sent her away.
About an hour later Avi discovered the bag had been left on his doorstep. He immediately moved the bag away from his house and called the police. However, instead of responding to this common threat with standard procedure the police actually hung up on him! Of course, he called back several times only to be hung up on and repeatedly ignored.
The Dismissal
After an hour Avi was able to raise some response from the American consulate and a high ranking police official from the capital. All agreed that he was experiencing a complete deviation from standard police procedure. However, the only thing they could do was call to dispatch the local police again. Everyone was hoping it was just a food parcel and anxiously awaiting the police pronouncement of “all clear”.
Meanwhile, it seemed that there were several strangers watching the house both from across the way and from a park nearby. All of us were on high alert, scared and praying like crazy. Yet despite it all, there was a peace that was unexplainable. We knew that G-d was on our side even in the midst of this turmoil.
The Response
After 8 hours the police had still not come. When asked by Tel Aviv for an update on the situation, they said that it was only a food parcel. How could they know what was in the parcel without dispatching anyone to check? We marveled at the presumption of the world’s best-trained police force. How could they have avoided the whole situation while claiming full knowledge?
Finally, one local friend was able to track down a security guard who had previously worked on the bomb squad. By the time he got there, the parcel had vanished so that no evidence could substantiate a bomb threat conclusively. When the circumstances were explained to the retired bomb squad security guard, he immediately agreed that the threat seemed to be genuine. From this point it was decided that the best course of action was to evacuate Avi and his family immediately. They packed essential belongings and left to hide in a safe place this morning.
The Need
We are now in the process of raising funds to fly Avi and his family out of Israel and away from their antagonists. This is why we are putting together a donation program on Pledgie and around the Internet. We need your help to get Avi away from these crazy people.
Avi and his family hold dual citizenship with America and Israel. However, the youngest children have not yet applied for American passports, as they were born in Israel. His debts, which are solely due to persecution, must be cleared before he will be able to leave the country. In addition, his back rent needs to be paid so that there are no legal loopholes to track him.
From my estimations we need to raise approximately $10,000 to cover all of his exit expenses. This includes paying all outstanding bills, passport fees and living accommodations for the next few weeks. We have already found help with the actual airfare and resettlement once he reaches America. However, we need this urgent assistance before we can get him out and off the radar. Please give generously.
Thanks & Blessings…
What is the difference
Messianic faith is an outcome of 3000 years of Jewish theology and prophetic vision’s. The Roman Empire with their crafty philosophical schemes stole all Jewish paradigms and restructured the revelation of Meshiach and the rest of Jewish scriptures and perspectives.
This has led to thousands of years of misappropriated information by the masses, which dogmatically interpret and reinterpret Jewish costums, beliefs and practices.
The following are just some of the problematic perspectives based on the Roman occupation, destruction, restructuring and subsequent errant perspectives on Jewish texts and ideas:
1. Ecclesia : Called out/Chosen Ones (originally Israel)
2. Ecclesiology: The Bride/Body of Meshiach (originally Israel)
3. Church Supremacy: (originally Israel’s Supremacy over the nations)
4. Apostolic Authority:(originally dynastic leadership of Relatives of Meshiach and his anointed leaders (apostles)
5. Nature of G-d (originally descriptive of his might and revelation to Israel, Romans defined it in philosophical terms)
6. Centrality of Jerusalem (mecca of faithful changed in to Holy City (Rome) or City of God (Heavenly New Jerusalem)
7. Punishment of Israel (originally as chastisement by being trampled by Gentiles, this was developed into an eternal curse from G-d on the Jewish people)
8. Destruction of the Temple (attributed to wicked kings, later shown as G-d’s emissaries used by pretatists)
9. G-d’s love for the Jews/and familial rebuke (changed into contempt and demonization of Jewish leaders/Pharisees and masses)
I will add more to this list in the next post. Daniel
Evangelical perspectives don’t fit a Jewish world view
below is an article from minister John Piper’s website he does not advocate of any specific view, but it shows that no Christian perspective aabout the role of Israel can be reconciled with Judaism:
There are three main theological camps on the issues of law, gospel, and the structuring of God’s redemptive relationship with humankind: dispensationalism, covenant theology, and new covenant theology.
Dispensationalism
It can be hard to summarize dispensational theology as a whole because in recent years multiple forms of it have developed. In general, there are three main distinctives.
First, dispensationalism sees God as structuring His relationship with mankind through several stages of revelation which mark off different dispensations, or stewardship arrangements. Each dispensation is a “test” of mankind to be faithful to the particular revelation given at the time. Generally, seven dispensations are distinguished: innocence (before the fall), conscience (Adam to Noah), government (Noah to Babel), promise (Abraham to Moses), Law (Moses to Christ), grace (Pentecost to the rapture), and the millennium.
Second, dispensationalism holds to a literal interpretation of Scripture. This does not deny the existence of figures of speech and non-literal language in the Bible, but rather means that there is a literal meaning behind the figurative passages.
Third, as a result of this literal interpretation of Scripture, dispensationalism holds to a distinction between Israel (even believing Israel) and the church. On this view, the promises made to Israel in the OT were not intended as prophecies about what God would do spiritually for the church, but will literally be fulfilled by Israel itself (largely in the millennium). For example, the promise of the land is interpreted to mean that God will one day fully restore Israel to Palestine. In contrast, non-dispensationalists typically see the land promise as intended by God to prophesy, in shadowy Old-covenant-form, the greater reality that He would one day make the entire church, Jews and Gentiles, heirs of the whole renewed world (cf. Romans 4:13).
In many ways it is thus accurate to say that dispensationalism believes in “two peoples of God.” Although both Jews and Gentiles are saved by Christ through faith, believing Israel will be the recipient of additional “earthly” promises (such as prosperity in the specific land of Palestine, to be fully realized in the millennium) that do not apply to believing Gentiles, whose primary inheritance is thus “heavenly.”
Covenant Theology
Covenant theology believes that God has structured his relationship with humanity by covenants rather than dispensations. For example, in Scripture we explicitly read of various covenants functioning as the major stages in redemptive history, such as the covenant with Abraham, the giving of the law, the covenant with David, and the new covenant. These post-fall covenants are not new tests of man’s faithfulness to each new stage of revelation (as are the dispensations in dispensationalism), but are rather differing administrations of the single, overarching covenant of grace.
The covenant of grace is one of two fundamental covenants in covenant theology. It structures God’s post-fall relationship to mankind; pre-fall, God structured His relationship by the covenant of works. The covenant of grace is best understood in relation to the covenant of works.
The covenant of works, instituted in the Garden of Eden, was the promise that perfect obedience would be rewarded with eternal life. Adam was created sinless but with the capability of falling into sin. Had he remained faithful in the time of temptation in the Garden (the “probationary period”), he would have been made incapable of sinning and secured in an eternal and unbreakable right standing with God.
But Adam sinned and broke the covenant, and thereby subjected himself and all his descendants to the penalty for covenant-breaking, condemnation. God in His mercy therefore instituted the “covenant of grace,” which is the promise of redemption and eternal life to those who would believe in the (coming) redeemer. The requirement of perfect obedience for eternal life is not annulled by the covenant of grace, but is rather fulfilled by Christ on behalf of His people, since now that all are sinners no one can meet the condition of perfect obedience by his own performance. The covenant of grace, then, does not set aside the covenant of works but rather fulfills it.
As mentioned above, covenant theology emphasizes that there is only one covenant of grace, and that all of the various redemptive covenants that we read of in the Scripture are simply differing administrations of this one covenant. In support, it is pointed out that a covenant is in essence simply a sovereignly given promise (usually with stipulations), and since there is only one promise of salvation (namely, by grace through faith), it follows that there is therefore only one covenant of grace. All of the specific redemptive covenants we read of (the Abrahamic, Mosaic, etc.) are various and culminating expressions of the covenant of grace.
New Covenant Theology
New covenant theology typically does not hold to a covenant of works or one overarching covenant of grace (although they would still argue for only one way of salvation). The essential difference between New Covenant Theology (hereafter NCT) and Covenant Theology (CT), however, concerns the Mosaic Law. CT holds that the Mosaic Law can be divided into three groups of laws–those regulating the government of Israel (civil laws), ceremonial laws, and moral laws. The ceremonial law and civil law are no longer in force because the former was fulfilled in Christ and the latter only applied to Israel’s theocracy, which is now defunct. But the moral law continues.
NCT argues that one cannot divide the law up in that way, as though part of the Mosaic Law can be abrogated while the rest remains in force. The Mosaic Law is a unity, they say, and so if part of it is canceled, all of it must be canceled. On top of this, they say that the New Testament clearly teaches that the Mosaic Law as a whole is superseded in Christ. It is, in other words, no longer our direct and immediate source of guidance. The Mosaic Law, as a law, is no longer binding on the believer.
Does this mean that believers are not bound by any divine law? No, because the Mosaic Law has been replaced by the law of Christ. NCT makes a distinction between the eternal moral law of God and the code in which God expresses that law to us. The Mosaic Law is an expression of God’s eternal moral law as a particular code which also contains positive regulations pertinent to the code’s particular temporal purpose, and therefore the cancellation of the Mosaic Law does not mean that the eternal moral law is itself canceled. Rather, upon canceling the Mosaic Law, God gave us a different expression of his eternal moral law–namely, the Law of Christ, consisting in the moral instructions of Christ’s teaching and the New Testament. The key issue that NCT seeks to raise is: Where do we look to see the expression of God’s eternal moral law today–do we look to Moses, or to Christ? NCT says we look to Christ.
There are many similarities between the Law of Christ and Mosaic Law, but that does not change the fact that the Mosaic Law has been canceled and that, therefore, we are not to look to it for direct guidance but rather to the New Testament. For example, England and the US have many similar laws (for example, murder is illegal in both countries). Nonetheless, the English are not under the laws of America, but of England. If an English citizen murders in England, he is held accountable for breaking England’s law against murder, not America’s law against murder.
The benefit of NCT, its advocates argue, is that it solves the difficulty of trying to figure out which of the Mosaic laws apply to us today. On their understanding, since the Mosaic Law is no longer a direct and immediate source of guidance, we look to the Law of Christ for our direct guidance. Although the Mosaic Law is no longer a binding law code in the NT era, it still has the authority, not of law, but of prophetic witness. As such, it fills out and explains certain concepts in both the old and new covenant law.
Major Messianic Site Runned by Anti-Semites
One of the bloggers at www. Jerusalem Council .org wrote the following post. I hope he changes his ways before judgement day. Akiba was martyred for the Torah, just like Yermayahu. How can he be so ignorant?:
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From: Avraham ben Shalom
To: jerusalemcouncil@googlegroups.com
Sent: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 2:45 pm
Subject: [JC] Have we shot ourselves in the foot?
I find this question not only appalling but down right off the wall. Firstly it is the obligation of the body to within itself seek for the right directions and to search out what is truth to say the Sages have got the answers is ridculous! When I hear someone say lets follow these quote sages whom have done nothing but make the Judaism today a bastered version of Torah observance is just crazy. I find no light of truth nor spirit in the words of Akiva, Yehudah, Gamliel rather my strength comes from the words of real righteous men like Moshe, Yochanan and Yeshiyahu. Men who feared God and who gave us all we need to know. If anything needs to be redefined is this the priority of the Torah and its teachings as apposed to the teachings of men who blasphem the very words of Torah Moshe was so willing to die for. People can blame interpritation or Gentile Christian teaching but all in all we are not jugde by this my friend we are judged by Gods Torah and if this means anything to anyone then let us keep ourselves accountable to it. As for leaders and or heads what we have is merely a lack of obediance when we refuse to place upon ourselves men who are wise and filled with the spirit and who know and fear God these we seek and if they arrive then we are obligated to raise them as our heads. If not I would rather sit under the tree and study then to bow to one word of a man who refuses to acknowledge who Yeshua is. And on this I think all of us stand secure on. What need have we for us to sit under a blind guide.
One Law Movement Debate
Tim Hegg and FFOZ use themselves as self-attesting sources to convey their perspective. There are no academic sources on the subject of gentile Torah observance in the early centuries of the common era. The closest to what they propose is the Orthodox Churches that tried to supersede Judaism by taking upon them Jewish practices and structuring their churches according to the Tabernacle or the bible only protestant denominations that tried to observe the Sabbath and other things to be more biblical then the other groups. In the first century, the only groups keeping Torah were the Jewish groups who believed in Meshiach.
If there was a secret “gospel” of Torah Observance for all at that time then the conflict with the rest of the Jewish community would have been different.
Hegg and Lancaster claim that greater Judaism of the Rabbis was the problem, because they did not accept Jewish believers and did not accept torah-observant gentiles either. They also claim that the mitzvoth can be performed outside of the context of Jewish law and that these practices can be detached from an expression of Jewish identity, something not true.
It is true that there was G-d fearers, who were not willing to go too far. Not wanting to convert they would support the Jewish people by giving alms and assisting in building the temple and synagogues. Peter was gracious to them and they were incorporated into the communities of believers. Wholesale torah observance has never been part of the debate.
Theological Debate on What is Really Jewish
Recently I have been dialoguing with an certain Messianic believers that feels that believing in anything other that Yeshua not being Hashem in any way is the gravest mistake in the Messianic community. All I can say is that groups like the Jerusalem Council.org feel that there is nothing more Jewish than to believe Yeshua is the physical revelation of Hashem. (This is based on my conversations with their main blogger Israel) So it can go both ways.
Groups that spouse a universal Torah observance perspective, reject the Noachide perspective of Jewish tradition. What they don’t speak of is that this perspective about the nations was around in a simpler form at the time of the second temple. As well a gentile segment of the temple and that is why G-d fearers were mentioned in the NT.
Regarding the personal beliefs about who the Meshiach, if the Jewish community consider you an apostate, that does not mean that you are not welcomed at shul as long as you are a halachic Jew and are willing to keep Torah, daven and respect the community’s rules.
Wikipedia Gone Wild
This is a conversation with a Wikipedia Blogger that said some not-so flattering things about the rest of the Jewish people:
MY RESPONSE
Dear Joshua,
The reason that I ask, is because many of the statements made by you on Wikipedia are very problematic as well as the way they are presented. Using yourself as a source seems intellectually dishonest, especially as I am not able to find any article ever written by you.
At the same time your opinion about rabbinical Judaism and the Mishnah and the Talmud being “dangerous,” is similar to what many Anti-Semitic Christian scholars, church fathers and Catholics saints have said in the past. You seriously consider studying Jewish Law as a “pitfall” ? and say that if someone “looks into the Mishnah and does what it says, he or she is not a follower of the Messiah”?
How dare you, say who is who in G-d’s kingdom. Just because Adon Melech Ha Moshiach Yeshua, is not quoted in the Mishna or Talmud that does not mean that Jewish works that codify Jewish life after the destruction of the temple are worthless. You use the term “Rabbinic” in a derogatory way, why don’t you replace it with “Jew”?. For the Messianic Judaism that you speak of derives most of their practices from Rabbinical sources. If you claim to partake of biblical Judaism why would you wear a Kippa or light candles on Friday? all those are traditions derived from the Tanak but not clearly mentioned there, just like the Mishna.
You speak of the yeast of the Pharisees. ”There is a real danger in Rabbinics. There is a real danger in Mishnah and Talmud.” I know a young man who has a doctorate in Judaic Studies, he is ten times more ethical than mosts Messianic “rabbis”. How can you say “No one involved in Rabbinics has ever come out on the other side more righteous than when he or she entered.” I don’t see how you can speak of a ”life changing experience clearly represented in the lives of the believers of the Messianic communities of the first century.” ? When most Messianics now are not “more righteous then the Pharisees and scribes” but haters of the traditional Jewish community and not reaching anyone with their derogatory perspectives that are in line with all the anti-semites in the world.
Respectfully,
Daniel
HIS RESPONSE
Daniel,
It has been some time since I was regularly contributing to some of the public pages. however this does sound as something I would have written.
This is a busy time of the year, so please excuse any delayed responses.
Thanks,
JIW
ORIGINAL E-MAIL
Subject:
“Many Messianic Jewish believers consider rabbinic commentaries such as the Mishnah and the Talmud dangerous,” says Joshua Isaac Walters “When we begin to study and observe Torah to become like Messiah, there are pitfalls we must avoid. One such pitfall is the study of Mishnah and Talmud – Rabbinic traditional Law. There are many people and congregations that place a great emphasis on rabbinic legal works, such as the Mishnah and the Talmud in search of their Hebrew roots. People are looking to the rabbis for answers on how to keep God’s commands, but if one looks into the Mishnah and does what it says, he or she is not a follower of the Messiah. Or, if one looks into the Talmud and does what it says, he or she is not a follower of the Messiah – he or she is a follower of the rabbis because Rabbi Yeshua, the Messiah, is not quoted there. Rabbinic Judaism is not Messianic Judaism. Rabbinic Judaism is not founded in Messiah. Rabbinic Judaism, for the most part, is founded in the yeast – the teachings of the Pharisees. Yeshua’s teachings and the discipleship that He brought His students through was not Rabbinic Judaism. There is a real da nger in Rabbinics. There is a real danger in Mishnah and Talmud. No one involved in Rabbinics has ever come out on the other side more righteous than when he or she entered. He or she may look “holier than thou” – but they do not have the life changing experience clearly represented in the lives of the believers of the Messianic communities of the first century.”
I would like to ask you some questions if you wrote this on Wikipedia. Blessings Daniel
Nazarean Judaisms and Gentile Torah Observance
Historically every community in the Roman Empire and Diaspora had different costums, this being the case we should look at the early communities of believers, not as a monolith, but realize that there were many political struggles at that time. Paul’s perspective needs to be considered in light of the Jewish framework he grew up in and how he was accountable to the Jerusalem council. As inspired as he was we must consider that there could have been a Majority opinion espoused by the Twelve and that Paul had a minority perspective as he ventured off to the Diaspora.
We know that Peter had different views depending on the circumstances and that G’d fearers were coming to faith because of his ministry even though he was ment to only be the apostle of the Jews. One thing not brought up by some is how proselytes are mentioned in the book of acts in both Pentecost and as part of the “deacons” of the first community.
This being the case then the term proselyte would have been used instead of disciple if observance of Torah was required (We hold to the idea that Torah Observance in non-Jewish cirlces is encouraged for growing in Kedusha, but differ with the idea that Yeshua’s later disciples were discipled in Torah observance and practice.) Historically observance requires covenantal commitment to live as a Jew.
Also no one seems to mention the difference between Timothy’s ritual of return, compared to Titus lack of it. Timothy was a “halachic” Jew because he was the son of a Gentile and a Jewess, he was circumcised because he was a Jew (not like J for J, who claims it happened as a cultural thing) his return to the people of Israel was similar to the Baal Teshuva process for non-observant Jews.
Titus was coerced to be circumcised to partake of the blessings of Israel (We need not to assume that every so called “Judaizer” was an enemy of the gospel) But, Paul opposed this based on his premise that everyone is already a partaker of the blessings by faith in Messiah. If this would had taken place in Jerusalem, things could have completely different, why? Because James and the other disciples were completely accountable to the rest of the Jewish community that upheld Torah and Jewish law derived from Torah, that is why they were willing to be flogged under the enactments of the Sanhedrin and asked Paul to prove his commitment to Torah when he entered Jerusalem.
First Fruits of Zion and Jews for Jesus in Cahoots
FFOZ’s founder wrote a letter to the missionary group Jews for Jesus where he said that both groups have something they share, this being their focus on Jewish evangelism. Both groups led by “Jews”, are famous for attacking Judaism, Torah and Israel to make their points.
Jewish identity as it is expressed in tradition, observance and the leadership of Rabbis is always downgraded and mocked.
Instead of focusing on Teshuva (repentence) and Kedusha (holiness) like Yeshua did. They bring judgement to the Chosen People for rejecting Christianity and the Torah-less Messiah that has been presented to them.
FFOZ teaches Torah away from Judaism bringing confusion to the few Torah observant Jewish believers that exist and creates mass confusion with the rest of Torah loving non-Jews. I say this with respect and admiration to those like Aaron Ebby who know the problems with the FFOZ approach.
As Boaz Michael feels the need to let Jews for Jesus know that they are in the same boat as them, by being banned by the mainstream Messianic organizations, I wonder how come his organization and J4Jare also so intolerant toward Traditionally minded Jews such as yours truly and the Messianic Judaism Quest staff.
